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		<title>By: Keith Echo</title>
		<link>http://www.tinawinslowhudson.com/2009/07/community-based-marketing-dos-and-donts/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina – Short answer on a social network, saturation is annoying even if I am the proponent. A great topic, it is an interesting reflection of our humanness and one to watch. The two-spaces option is a rational model of an organic process. As humans we tend to catalogue things and define their relationship (at the base) along a single partition, before and after, we poke and interact with them. As a &quot;consumer&quot; of social media, I think you have to keep your hand on the tiller, predict and interact, not react. The waters are much less predictable than metrics may be able to tell you. Metrics assumes you have a base for comparison. The protocols of new channels take time to evolve and you don&#039;t want to oppress their potential by forcing them to react to over-stimulation. I guess I define saturation as over exposing your product or service in the market; like say, Kleenex, a brand that is so embedded in the language that any brand of tissue hits its target. You want clients/friends/both to seek you out for your specialty, but you don&#039;t want them to opt out, because you answer their question over and over. 

In a profession network, the protocols are well defined along common interests, answer before asked; but in the broadest sense of a social network, protocols are fluid. For example, Facebook&#039;s intent was a professional/personal social network, but the professional side dims more and more with its popularity to the extent where mining professional information is a subversive affront to privacy. A professional network expects its data to be mined for mutual benefit. An interesting case to watch is Twitter users on Caltrain, http://cow.org/c/about. Users post information about specifics as they ride along in real time; users Tweet about which cars are clean, which are quiet, delays, which bathrooms work, even satiric comments from frustration are expressed. So far, Caltrain reads the Tweets, but does not directly participate in the network. Instead, they clean cars, fix bathrooms, etcetera, interacting without reacting. Caltrain can mine specific data about conditions in their service without ever asking directly or accepting responsibility for the question. They can solve real time nuts/bolts maintenance without negative media connotations, and avoid saturating the market with information/reactions about those issues of their brand.

As the two-space model expands and retracts, I guess the trick is to find specific intersections, use them in real time let them go, find the next intersection, and repeat. The market is the potential intersections. Hum, saturation must occur when the networks intersect, define the market as those intersections, and then assume the intersection is the only market. 

However, I don’t mean to saturate you on this topic.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina – Short answer on a social network, saturation is annoying even if I am the proponent. A great topic, it is an interesting reflection of our humanness and one to watch. The two-spaces option is a rational model of an organic process. As humans we tend to catalogue things and define their relationship (at the base) along a single partition, before and after, we poke and interact with them. As a &#8220;consumer&#8221; of social media, I think you have to keep your hand on the tiller, predict and interact, not react. The waters are much less predictable than metrics may be able to tell you. Metrics assumes you have a base for comparison. The protocols of new channels take time to evolve and you don&#8217;t want to oppress their potential by forcing them to react to over-stimulation. I guess I define saturation as over exposing your product or service in the market; like say, Kleenex, a brand that is so embedded in the language that any brand of tissue hits its target. You want clients/friends/both to seek you out for your specialty, but you don&#8217;t want them to opt out, because you answer their question over and over. </p>
<p>In a profession network, the protocols are well defined along common interests, answer before asked; but in the broadest sense of a social network, protocols are fluid. For example, Facebook&#8217;s intent was a professional/personal social network, but the professional side dims more and more with its popularity to the extent where mining professional information is a subversive affront to privacy. A professional network expects its data to be mined for mutual benefit. An interesting case to watch is Twitter users on Caltrain, <a href="http://cow.org/c/about" rel="nofollow">http://cow.org/c/about</a>. Users post information about specifics as they ride along in real time; users Tweet about which cars are clean, which are quiet, delays, which bathrooms work, even satiric comments from frustration are expressed. So far, Caltrain reads the Tweets, but does not directly participate in the network. Instead, they clean cars, fix bathrooms, etcetera, interacting without reacting. Caltrain can mine specific data about conditions in their service without ever asking directly or accepting responsibility for the question. They can solve real time nuts/bolts maintenance without negative media connotations, and avoid saturating the market with information/reactions about those issues of their brand.</p>
<p>As the two-space model expands and retracts, I guess the trick is to find specific intersections, use them in real time let them go, find the next intersection, and repeat. The market is the potential intersections. Hum, saturation must occur when the networks intersect, define the market as those intersections, and then assume the intersection is the only market. </p>
<p>However, I don’t mean to saturate you on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Winslow Hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.tinawinslowhudson.com/2009/07/community-based-marketing-dos-and-donts/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Winslow Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith - That&#039;s a good point and one I worry about as I have combined my streams.  Most of my friends are in the industry and know that I can get a little intense but I definitely don&#039;t want to invade their space when they intend for it to personal.  If you extrapolate this out, having two spaces one business and one personal is an option.  In terms of pushing too much to clients or others, giving an opt out is key and being respectful of how much information you push out.  

What do you think?  You are on the other side of social media - what do you think about saturation?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith &#8211; That&#8217;s a good point and one I worry about as I have combined my streams.  Most of my friends are in the industry and know that I can get a little intense but I definitely don&#8217;t want to invade their space when they intend for it to personal.  If you extrapolate this out, having two spaces one business and one personal is an option.  In terms of pushing too much to clients or others, giving an opt out is key and being respectful of how much information you push out.  </p>
<p>What do you think?  You are on the other side of social media &#8211; what do you think about saturation?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Echo</title>
		<link>http://www.tinawinslowhudson.com/2009/07/community-based-marketing-dos-and-donts/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina,

What about saturation? In a social network, at what point to you not push to clients/friends/both? How do you know?

Keith

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina,</p>
<p>What about saturation? In a social network, at what point to you not push to clients/friends/both? How do you know?</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Winslow Hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.tinawinslowhudson.com/2009/07/community-based-marketing-dos-and-donts/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Winslow Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben - Those are excellent additions.  I especially like the metrics suggestion because closing the loop in terms of knowing what works is vital!  Thanks for joining the conversation and I look forward to more!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8211; Those are excellent additions.  I especially like the metrics suggestion because closing the loop in terms of knowing what works is vital!  Thanks for joining the conversation and I look forward to more!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.tinawinslowhudson.com/2009/07/community-based-marketing-dos-and-donts/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina - Here are some additions to the great discussion you kicked off:

DO plan on spending a lot of time to see rewards
DO expect some frustration before getting it right
DO outline the metrics and use them to tell a story
DO understand that it is absolutely impossible to make everyone happy

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina &#8211; Here are some additions to the great discussion you kicked off:</p>
<p>DO plan on spending a lot of time to see rewards<br />
DO expect some frustration before getting it right<br />
DO outline the metrics and use them to tell a story<br />
DO understand that it is absolutely impossible to make everyone happy</p>
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